Comments on: Residential Sprinklers, Time for Action http://mfis.org/2009/06/residential-sprinklers-time-for-action/ Resources for Michigan's Fire Inspectors Tue, 18 May 2010 16:11:59 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: MI Builders and Sprinklers http://mfis.org/2009/06/residential-sprinklers-time-for-action/comment-page-1/#comment-461 MI Builders and Sprinklers Wed, 22 Jul 2009 22:27:22 +0000 http://mfis.org/?p=356#comment-461 NFPA’s next big project should be titled, The Home Builders Guide to Reading NFPA Standards – A Picture Book. First chapter should have clear instructions on how a sentence is structured, such as: A sentence starts with the first capital letter on the far left hand side of the page and ends with the first period. It would be necessary to read the whole sentence. Read next sentence. Insert pictures (ideas): a builder in a three piece suit with instructions on reading the right side up, a builder who is also a volunteer fire fighter since Moses called about the burning bush, pointing the water hose on the fire or foundation, whatever is left. Read next sentence and so on. Next chapter should be history of education, such as: If completed only 7th grade, pass to your painter to read to you. If your painter cannot speak English, buy the Spanish edition or have your local Hav-A-Rat occupant’s children read to the whole crew in English and Spanish. Third chapter: Calculations such as if town X has 40 houses and 41 burn down, how much profit is made? If the same town had sprinklers in the same 40 houses, and none burned down, but the algae in the pipe leaks through the pipe in the form of condensation, how much insurance money did the homeowner have? One more: If the NAHB helped the mortgage industry in sub-prime loan scams and FEMA (Katrina) cost estimates; how many of his family can that feed, how much for a greener home, how much for college education, and how much for a fuel efficient car? If a smoke alarm alerts homeowners of smoke and a fire sprinkler puts water on the smoke and fire, how many people will drown versus smoke inhalation. Fourth chapter: Summary of the first three chapters, more pictures of a builders reading together in a circle. NFPA’s next big project should be titled, The Home Builders Guide to Reading NFPA Standards – A Picture Book.

First chapter should have clear instructions on how a sentence is structured, such as:
A sentence starts with the first capital letter on the far left hand side of the page and ends with the first period. It would be necessary to read the whole sentence. Read next sentence. Insert pictures (ideas): a builder in a three piece suit with instructions on reading the right side up, a builder who is also a volunteer fire fighter since Moses called about the burning bush, pointing the water hose on the fire or foundation, whatever is left. Read next sentence and so on.

Next chapter should be history of education, such as: If completed only 7th grade, pass to your painter to read to you. If your painter cannot speak English, buy the Spanish edition or have your local Hav-A-Rat occupant’s children read to the whole crew in English and Spanish.

Third chapter: Calculations such as if town X has 40 houses and 41 burn down, how much profit is made? If the same town had sprinklers in the same 40 houses, and none burned down, but the algae in the pipe leaks through the pipe in the form of condensation, how much insurance money did the homeowner have? One more: If the NAHB helped the mortgage industry in sub-prime loan scams and FEMA (Katrina) cost estimates; how many of his family can that feed, how much for a greener home, how much for college education, and how much for a fuel efficient car? If a smoke alarm alerts homeowners of smoke and a fire sprinkler puts water on the smoke and fire, how many people will drown versus smoke inhalation.

Fourth chapter: Summary of the first three chapters, more pictures of a builders reading together in a circle.

]]> By: mobrian http://mfis.org/2009/06/residential-sprinklers-time-for-action/comment-page-1/#comment-455 mobrian Thu, 16 Jul 2009 04:01:37 +0000 http://mfis.org/?p=356#comment-455 Chief, it is estimated that 2800 people die across the United States in a given year. Estimates for the State of Michigan are over 150 per year and it seems the number is climbing as more NFIRS reports are completed. As for separating them from one and two family dwellings as compared to apartments, we will have to see if we can get that data. As for maintaining the system, its really free. Its on the shoulders of the homeowner. Multi-purpose systems are the easiest to maintain and the standalone system has a couple more requirements per NFPA 13d. Take a look at this post on Inspector911.com http://inspector911.com/residential-sprinkler-system-maintenance/370 I home that you can talk to your building official and if there are other questions check out www.mfis.org/residentialsprinklers Chief, it is estimated that 2800 people die across the United States in a given year. Estimates for the State of Michigan are over 150 per year and it seems the number is climbing as more NFIRS reports are completed. As for separating them from one and two family dwellings as compared to apartments, we will have to see if we can get that data.

As for maintaining the system, its really free. Its on the shoulders of the homeowner. Multi-purpose systems are the easiest to maintain and the standalone system has a couple more requirements per NFPA 13d. Take a look at this post on Inspector911.com http://inspector911.com/residential-sprinkler-system-maintenance/370

I home that you can talk to your building official and if there are other questions check out http://www.mfis.org/residentialsprinklers

]]> By: al http://mfis.org/2009/06/residential-sprinklers-time-for-action/comment-page-1/#comment-454 al Wed, 15 Jul 2009 12:51:25 +0000 http://mfis.org/?p=356#comment-454 Can you give me the number of lives that have been taken in a 1 & 2 family dwelling? They want to put the fact together with apartments. I can't get anyone to give me the number of lives that have been loss in a single family house. I have a building inspector that feels that in a single family home sprinklers are not needed. He does agree that in a apartment or condo units they should be but not in a single family home. Also what would the cost estiment be for maintaning the system? Can you give me the number of lives that have been taken in a 1 & 2 family dwelling? They want to put the fact together with apartments. I can’t get anyone to give me the number of lives that have been loss in a single family house. I have a building inspector that feels that in a single family home sprinklers are not needed. He does agree that in a apartment or condo units they should be but not in a single family home. Also what would the cost estiment be for maintaning the system?

]]> By: Anthony Zamora http://mfis.org/2009/06/residential-sprinklers-time-for-action/comment-page-1/#comment-453 Anthony Zamora Tue, 14 Jul 2009 16:51:57 +0000 http://mfis.org/?p=356#comment-453 To whom it concerns, and life safety concerns us all. The safety of our citizens is the responsibility of our governments, state, city, federal, towns, and villages etc... We had smoke detectors mandated installed in homes as a first line of defense against fires in homes and businesses, we now have fire systems that are more than capable of saving lives, property and mental stress from the losses associated with fires. Airbags were also mandated for life safety. The argument of costs associated with the installation of these systems at the time of construction, possibly helping keep potential home buyers out of the market, is a bunch of hogwash. All the many positives of these systems being installed far and away outweigh this argument. We are trying to GREEN up America and become more efficient in the way we do all building in the future. Try this out for green: reduced water use by the firefighters when arriving at the scene of a fire, reduced fire line sizes being installed in the streets where fire sprinklers are being installed in all new residential developments, reducing the need for more fire stations and all the equipment needed to support them, reduced street sizes, (allowing for more homes), virtually little or no real serious damage to these homes in the event of a fire, reducing the amount of money paid out by insurance companies, and the list goes on and on. The NHBA says the costs are why they are against this. If their builders were'nt so greedy they would'nt markup the systems so much to make their profits. There should be a way they could get tax breaks or builder incentives if they had these systems installed in their new homes so they could also benefit from them without passing them on to the consumer. Has there been any audits on their markups when a fire system is installed. We all know how much a fire sprinkler system costs installed in your average home. We also know the costs associated in homes without them, just get the data from your insurance companies. The true COST is lives and property not saved without them. We are one of the most sophisticated countries in the world and a select few would have us doing business as always in the past placing the financial need of a few over the safety of the whole. "We can always build a new home after a fire has destroyed it. Our builders are there for this.": All of you fire responders are responsible for the safety of our citizens, will you be able to look yourself in the mirror in the future after a fire has destroyed a home and taken a life or lives and honestly say that your opposition of the ICC mandate of fire sprinklers in 1 and 2 family dwellings was right? When you have an opportunity in your life to make a change that is best for the citizens of this country, which you now have, make it! I believe that people do not like change, and are afraid to make change, because of the many variables associated with change. Want to make some enemies, make change. I can go on and on, but I won't. Please consider the safety of our citizens and adopt the ICC mandate for the greater good of this country and all of it's citizens. Thank you. Sincerely, Anthony Zamora/Citizen To whom it concerns, and life safety concerns us all. The safety of our citizens is the responsibility of our governments, state, city, federal, towns, and villages etc… We had smoke detectors mandated installed in homes as a first line of defense against fires in homes and businesses, we now have fire systems that are more than capable of saving lives, property and mental stress from the losses associated with fires. Airbags were also mandated for life safety. The argument of costs associated with the installation of these systems at the time of construction, possibly helping keep potential home buyers out of the market, is a bunch of hogwash. All the many positives of these systems being installed far and away outweigh this argument. We are trying to GREEN up America and become more efficient in the way we do all building in the future. Try this out for green: reduced water use by the firefighters when arriving at the scene of a fire, reduced fire line sizes being installed in the streets where fire sprinklers are being installed in all new residential developments, reducing the need for more fire stations and all the equipment needed to support them, reduced street sizes, (allowing for more homes), virtually little or no real serious damage to these homes in the event of a fire, reducing the amount of money paid out by insurance companies, and the list goes on and on. The NHBA says the costs are why they are against this. If their builders were’nt so greedy they would’nt markup the systems so much to make their profits. There should be a way they could get tax breaks or builder incentives if they had these systems installed in their new homes so they could also benefit from them without passing them on to the consumer. Has there been any audits on their markups when a fire system is installed. We all know how much a fire sprinkler system costs installed in your average home. We also know the costs associated in homes without them, just get the data from your insurance companies. The true COST is lives and property not saved without them. We are one of the most sophisticated countries in the world and a select few would have us doing business as always in the past placing the financial need of a few over the safety of the whole. “We can always build a new home after a fire has destroyed it. Our builders are there for this.”: All of you fire responders are responsible for the safety of our citizens, will you be able to look yourself in the mirror in the future after a fire has destroyed a home and taken a life or lives and honestly say that your opposition of the ICC mandate of fire sprinklers in 1 and 2 family dwellings was right? When you have an opportunity in your life to make a change that is best for the citizens of this country, which you now have, make it! I believe that people do not like change, and are afraid to make change, because of the many variables associated with change. Want to make some enemies, make change. I can go on and on, but I won’t. Please consider the safety of our citizens and adopt the ICC mandate for the greater good of this country and all of it’s citizens.

Thank you.

Sincerely,

Anthony Zamora/Citizen

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